sprout
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Post by sprout on Apr 23, 2017 18:58:41 GMT
I have noticed that I am not getting any Hot Food Cooking (HFC) skill from making meals (meat + vegs, ingredients prepped using knife and chopped and diced and mashed and using various herbs and spices) . I believe "Meals" count as recipes?
Is this an intentional change that came with 1.3?
Does difficulty of the meal play any factor in skill gain (I assumed in WU that difficulty does not?)
I don't like to spam-grind skills and normally I have always gotten HFC just from normal use of the skill but that seems to no longer be the case.
I really don't want to get into the whole "make 1000 frypans, mass fill them, spam using sleep bonus" type of gameplay.
What am I doing wrong and what should i change in order to make normal skillgains using the skill in a normal manner?
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Post by bdew on Apr 23, 2017 19:06:48 GMT
Make sure the ingredients come through your inventory when cooking
If you drag them from another container directly to the forge, the game doesn't knows they are "yours" and who should get the skill.
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sprout
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Post by sprout on Apr 23, 2017 19:08:57 GMT
They are chopped in my inventory and dragged to the frypan (I usually prep stacks of 5 of each ingrefdient, expand all the ingredients then grab one from each item type and drag into the pan, so there might be 6-14 ingredients in each meal)
I don't make batches larger than 5 as that seems a useful amount that lasts me a few days
in a few cases if I have a semi full inventory, I dump all the ingredients into the oven so they can start warming up then drag one item from each stack in the oven to the frypan, but usually I just use inventory
I noticed that the quality of the meals never changed over time (in the past I got a small amount of skillgain each mealtime, so went from 20 -> 30 making meals ) so checked skill list and there was no skill gain recorded anymore.
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Post by sprout on Apr 23, 2017 20:09:35 GMT
Is there a chance "difficulty" plays a role even if normally it does not matter in WU skillgains? Most of the meals I am cooking are stuffed with processed herbs and spices so they give terrific CCPF/Nutrition values but it means they are also rated as higher difficulty meals: [13:07:45] A delicious well-prepared meal with horse meat and veg as its main ingredients. This has a high nutrition value. Created on day of Awakening, week 4 of the Snake's starfall, 990. (Calories: 39060.0/kg, Carbs: 2646.0/kg, Proteins: 2772.0/kg, Fat: 1764.0/kg, Nutrition: 318.2%)
(That's actually not as high as usual as I think i did not add spices to that one). I liked making these "highly processed multi ingredient" meals as they fill all CCFP bars instantly but i am worried about not getting any skillgain even a small gain. Previously I was getting at least some skillgain from making meals in small batches, I am not exactly sure how long ago that stopped.
edit: ok thanks bdew  we tried some experiments and it does seem tied to difficulty in that make 99 difficulty meals with 30 HFC skill means I fail the skillcheck even if I successfully make meganutritional 30Q meals |
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Post by bdew on Apr 23, 2017 20:52:16 GMT
After some investigation with sprout it looks like making too high difficulty food will lead to no skill gain (because it's technically counted as a failure).
So protip: don't make crazy 20 ingredient meals if you're at 30 HFC.
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sprout
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Post by sprout on Apr 23, 2017 20:57:35 GMT
only 17 ingredients D:
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Post by sprout on Apr 24, 2017 13:20:09 GMT
So my quite acceptable compromise is: - I use a bowl not a frypan which makes it "Breakfast" not "Meal" and lowers the difficulty margin a surprising amount
- I use just six ingredients for now (chopped/minced/etc meat, cheese, chopped potato, mashed potato, some herb chopped, chopped garlic)
The result is still giving me excellent nutrition and full CCFP bars though not as spectacular as 20-item meals. My skill goes up every time. As my skill grows I can gradually add a few more ingredients to the bowl. Hopefully now i can have good skill gains PLUS great ccfp/nutrition and eventually work back to NegaMeals If there are any low level cooks out there looking for an easy recipe that fills all bars quite well : pottery bowl (NOT frypan) + meat (protein) + cheese (fat) + 2 types of potato (fork+knife/carbs) and add a few more items as long as Lore shows you staying close to 10+ or so of your skill. Breakfast truly is the best way to start your day! At least for cooking newbies!! |
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we tried some experiments and it does seem tied to difficulty in that make 99 difficulty meals with 30 HFC skill means I fail the skillcheck even if I successfully make meganutritional 30Q meals